Transcript: Season 3, Episode 1
Sara Morgan
Terri Trespicio:
What does it mean to make it big? Well, it depends on who you ask and we did welcome to making it big in 30 minutes, a podcast for, by, and about the Emerson community. You're about to meet an Emersonian who's making it. Making a living, making a difference and sometimes making it up as they go. I'm your host and alum Terri Trespicio. And if you like what you hear, subscribe and share with your friends and meet me and other Emersonians over on Emerge, the only digital platform exclusive to the Emerson community. Just go to emerge.emerson.edu for more. All right. Let's get started.
Terri Trespicio:
When Sara Morgan was offered a full-time role in radio as a sophomore, plenty of people said, why do you need a degree if you already have a job? But for Sarah school was a non-negotiable. Looking back, she doesn't know how she did it. And she didn't just earn one degree, she earned two. At Emerson, she's considered a double lion. She earned her BA in communications in 2005. And her master's in integrated marketing communication in 2010 when she also received the [inaudible 00:01:03] foundation scholarship, which aims to increase diversity in marketing, advertising, and PR.
Terri Trespicio:
Today, Sara is a product marketing manager at Dell technologies, but she has worked in a variety of industries. Publishing, insurance, higher ed and tech. And that's what I want you to listen for in this interview. Every step of the way Sara was open-minded, but intentional. The industry rarely mattered. What did was whether an opportunity aligned with her values and skillset as a storyteller and problem solver.
Terri Trespicio:
I give you Sara Morgan on making it, not just as a woman in tech, but as an industry agnostic marketing professional. Sara, you are what they call a double lion. A double lion alumna of Emerson college. You got your BA in communications, audio radio focus. And then you went on a few years later to earn your masters in integrated marketing communication in 2010. And what I was really struck by when I read an interview that you did with Emerson, that you were working full time as an undergrad and you were just too busy. So when you went back for your master's, that's when you got all engaged with the student life. That's completely ass backwards.
Sara Morgan:
It is. It is. Yeah, I guess I don't do things the typical way.
Terri Trespicio:
I love that though. Yes, I envy it. I got my master's in Emerson and I envy that I didn't have that plugged in experience, but you just did it later it seems.
Sara Morgan:
I did.
Terri Trespicio:
So I have to ask, what were you doing full time as a kid? What was that?
Sara Morgan:
I was actually working as an assistant producer for what was, at the time, the top morning show in Boston. The Romero and Pebbles show on [inaudible 00:02:44] 94 5. So I-
Terri Trespicio:
Oh my God. I used to listen to that of course.
Sara Morgan:
I was behind the scenes. As a kid, as you mentioned. And I actually transferred into Emerson and I started off as an engineering major at Temple University. And the reason I went there was because they had ... I applied to every undergrad program as an engineering major. Got into every program I applied to, but I went to Temple because I could fall back on communications. I was like, what if I don't like ... Once I get into it, they give you a heavy course load. So after one semester of having really bad grades and just hating my life, I switched to communications. And we had this, he was the GM of a radio cluster in Philly at the time, he came into speak in one of our classes. And he said, the only way to get into radio is to get an internship. You got to get an internship soon as possible.
Sara Morgan:
So I went back to my room and started calling local stations, and I could not get a call back. No one would even call me back to work for free-
Terri Trespicio:
That's crazy.
Sara Morgan:
I was begging people to work for free. So I ended up emailing a station in Boston, which was 94 5. And the internship coordinator called me right back. She emailed me and said, "Hey, can we set some time up?" We got on the phone. And she asked me to come in on my spring break. So they hired me as an intern. I went from doing that to being on the street team. And the morning show host at the time, Pebbles, needed help with our Sunday show. So her public affairs show. So I said, "I can do it. I'll do it for the rest of the summer."
Sara Morgan:
And when it was time to go back to Philly, I was like, all this is is calling people and doing online research and sending you talking notes and scheduling. I can do this from Philly. So I kept producing her show when I went back to school as a sophomore, and then halfway through the year, their assistant producer gave her notice and they were like, "Do you want to come take her job?" And I was like, I'd love to-
Terri Trespicio:
Her full time job?
Sara Morgan:
Her full time job. I was like, "I just started my second semester of my sophomore year and I can't get my money back. So how would that work?" And they were like, "Well, we have interns that can probably pick up the slack until May. What day can you start?" I was like-
Terri Trespicio:
Are you serious?
Sara Morgan:
Yeah. So I, I gave them a start date of May 5th. And one of my finals actually ended up getting moved. So I had to take it from Boston. It was proctored by the internship coordinator who originally hired me. And I bought a car and packed up everything in my room at Temple and moved back here. And that last semester, while I was waiting to start the job, I was harassing the transfer coordinator at Emerson because I wanted to stay in school. I really wanted to finish my degree. And I also credit Pebbles with that because everyone in radio was like, you don't need this. You already have a job now. At 19, which I'm sure we'll get to that.
Sara Morgan:
I didn't know what I wanted to do forever. I thought I wanted to do that forever. And if I hadn't finished my degree, I probably wouldn't be doing what I'm doing now. So she really encouraged me when everyone around me was like, you don't need this degree. You're already in radio. Why would you go to school for radio if you're in radio? And I was like, honestly, I will need the paper at some point. So I might as well do it now while I can and I'm still in school mode.
Terri Trespicio:
That's so smart.
Sara Morgan:
And I'm so glad I did because I look back on it now and I'm like, how survive? I can barely get by if I don't get eight hours of sleep. I'm like, what was I doing?
Terri Trespicio:
I don't know how you did that. The reason you got the job, this comes up every time I talk to people about jobs is because you had already put in some work, they already knew you. You were a known entity. And then they give you the opportunity and you're like, I'm going to say no. And then shame on anyone for talking you out of your education, because this idea that you would ... You could have done that job forever if you wanted. Until the job went away. If anyone within the sound of my voice is questioning whether it's not that, well, I already have a job on radio. Why would I study radio? This is about, and as you know more than anyone, being connected to a community that outlasts any job. And then what happened? So you finished your undergrad degree.
Sara Morgan:
Yep. And this was a time when radio was starting to consolidate. Clear Channel had gotten really big and gobbled up all of these stations. So I saw the writing on the wall all at 23 and was like-
Terri Trespicio:
You knew. You were like, this is not growth happening.
Sara Morgan:
Exactly. I saw the writing on the wall. I was asking for more money. I was nanny-ing on the side. And so when I asked for more money and it wasn't there, I said, "Okay, I need to start looking for what's the next step for me." And what I saw was an adjacent job that I seemed to enjoy, or I admired the people in it, were the PR folks that I had built relationships with. And so I thought, I'll go to the other side of the phone, they would say back then. So I went from the producer telling the receptionist to tell people I died to being the person pitching now.
Sara Morgan:
So I found that I was actually, I stayed at this agency for a year, I was terrible at it because I was coming from being the person making the decisions, editorial decisions, the content decisions, to that person whose job it is to pester you. I have some very close friends in PR, but you have to be very persistent. And I realized that very quickly that I just didn't have the skill because when I said no to somebody, I meant no. And so I didn't have it in me to turn that no into a yes.
Terri Trespicio:
You knew too much.
Sara Morgan:
I couldn't. Yeah. And I have several friends in PR and I give them a lot of credit because they're great at it. But it's just a skillset that I did not possess. I came to that conclusion-
Terri Trespicio:
You could have, you just didn't choose to build it. You said, I don't like this position. You knew too much about what was happening. And so then what, my God.
Sara Morgan:
So I had this interest in marketing because I took a couple marketing classes when I was in undergrad. And that was the one other thing that I really was drawn to. So I decided that PR was ... Because this was also, God, how many years ago? This was 15 or more years ago. So this was the first time agencies were being asked about, do we need a Facebook page? Can you help us with our website? And the agency's like, sure. And trying to find people to figure it out. So I was like, well, there's obviously a lot more that clients need on the marketing front outside of PR. This is one slice of the pie. So let me figure out what the rest of the pie looks like because there has to be something in that pie for me.
Sara Morgan:
So I applied and started looking at master's programs. And even though I was looking in California across the country and going back to Philly, I ended up back at Emerson and what drew me to that program was that it was, at the time, integrated marketing. So it was the whole pie and how everything works together. It was this time in marketing where we were all about taking silos down and how do we work across the aisle and how all of these elements of marketing work together, which has since changed. But that was what I was drawn to.
Terri Trespicio:
You said, I know there's a way to serve these markets that the PR firms can't do. I know there's a need to serve people with budgets and no one quite knows how to do it and I'm interested in it. So let me figure out how. So then you [inaudible 00:10:37] there with that skillset. Now I want to bring us a full circle. Today, this is Sara Morgan. She's a product marketer at Dell. I bet you didn't see that coming. You were a radio person, now you're a woman in tech. These titles mean everything and nothing. Because you couldn't foresee it. So now you're a woman in tech. How do you like that?
Sara Morgan:
I very intentionally landed here.
Terri Trespicio:
Okay. Tell us about that.
Sara Morgan:
So I am here with a purpose. Going back to starting my grad degree, the program director at the time, Kathy Waters, to this day, her advice has stuck in my head and I was looking at MBA programs or masters in marketing. And she said to me, I have an MBA, but I'm a program director of a marketing program. It's the process. It's not the piece of paper. So how is this process going to get you to where you want to be? And that statement, I continue to echo in my head throughout my career. And so from my time at Emerson as a graduate student, until now, all of my moves have been about doing more of what I want to do and less of what I don't want to do. And not every step is going to get you to that end result, but it's going to get me a little bit closer.
Sara Morgan:
And so I made moves very intentionally with that in mind. And I did end up taking a detour back into radio for a short period of time. I was at a higher level. I was an executive producer. I had more say in the content I called myself, it was a mesh between an air traffic controller and a project manager. And so I took that description of what I did as a producer and landed myself as a program manager in the marketing department at Liberty Mutual. And then I took that and made a move to Harvard where I was a marketing project manager, but I was overseeing a very specific campaign that I had more creative control over. And then I took that and went on to manage a couple of creative teams where I was the go between, the liaison between the creative execution and the strategic people. I like to be more on the strategic side, how do I get to do what they do and less of this just the creative execution.
Terri Trespicio:
When you say I took this and did this, what I'm seeing there is incredibly agile thinking about work. Because some people might say, well, she's in radio or in tech or higher education. Those industries, they hire all kinds of people in all kinds of roles. It's so funny that we still think so linearly about, well, how would you get a job in higher ed at Harvard if you worked at this? But the fact is you showed how. So you weren't feeling blocked about that. And I'm wishing I could bottle it and give it to every student who is going into the world because we still are taught to think about industries as silos. So you never saw it that way?
Sara Morgan:
As far as industries, no. And I would get into interviews, to be honest, and it was the hiring managers who had that, I think, train of thought, who would ask me more about what my skillset was. What I could do, the impact I could have. So my approach was always, the industry is the least relevant. I can learn the industry. That's what you're there for. That's what my manager's there for. That's what the subject matter experts. If I'm coming in, in a marketing role, my job is not to know the industry as much as it is to understand the customer's problems and how we're telling the story. So I'm a problem solver. I'm a storyteller. That's what I'm going to do. It doesn't matter if it's for insurance or higher ed or a widget or a pizza.
Terri Trespicio:
And it allowed you such flexibility and such an interesting career. So take us back to now was the goalcI want to be in tech or were you just following the opportunities that you saw that came up?
Sara Morgan:
No. So I actually, going back to the process piece, and I was having this conversation with a couple of friends recently, who said, I really want to work for this company. I really want to work for X company. Huge company that everyone knows. And I said, but what does that say about you? What are your values? That says nothing about your values. And so it took me time to get here. I wasn't always here, but I think once I realized, if I stay true to my values, the company and the industry don't matter.
Sara Morgan:
And so when I was looking for a job, the three things, and I think they would still be the most important three today, are a commitment to diversity, workplace flexibility or a culture of workplace flexibility, where being in a seat from nine to five, that's not what indicates you're doing your job. There are other measures of that. And ability for upward movement and growth and development. So with those three things in mind, I actually turned jobs down because I had that as my litmus test of does this meet my values before we even talk about what the salary is and any of this. Do you meet my requirements? And if you don't, I probably shouldn't take this job.
Terri Trespicio:
This is a really revolutionary way of looking at work. I just hope that this is not lost on anyone because it's so critical. Because as you said, you turn things down. People think like, well I can't turn it down. If someone asked me and it's a prestigious place, I have to accept it. But that's a culture of compliance. Or cool kids. Has there been anything that you turned down that you were like, you were afraid? You did it out of a fearful thing. Or was it never like, well, I don't know if I can handle that. I don't know if I'd be able to handle it. Because that's another reason someone might ... I turned down plenty things. I was afraid of it.
Sara Morgan:
I was actually afraid of the role I'm in now.
Terri Trespicio:
Really?
Sara Morgan:
And I've had conversations with senior leaders because I had total imposter syndrome. So I think I took it for those reasons because it scared me. I was like, I don't know if I qualify for this. I don't know if I have this skillset. Because again, remember I was doing the stepping stone thing, trying to get closer to where I wanted to be. So every position was stretching a skillset in some way.
Terri Trespicio: And moving up.
Sara Morgan:
Yeah, exactly. And so this was, I was coming in to a group with highly technical folks who have been there for years and years and years and know their products really well. And I'm like, okay, I had accepted that it was going to take me a ... I was going to have to spend a lot of time, maybe nights and weekends trying to learn the industry and the products. But what I learned when I came in is that my manager had hired me for a specific reason. And that was because I wasn't everyone else on the team. And I added something. And even to this day I have team members who are much more senior to me, who have been there a long time, who have been doing this a long time, who come to me and say, "Hey, can you help me massage this message or how can I do this?" And I think that spirit of collaboration has also helped reduce the level of imposter syndrome, because I feel like I bring something to the table. And so I think it was that feeling like I didn't bring enough, but just realizing what I bring is different.
Terri Trespicio:
That is so critical because the imposter syndrome is like am I as good as, am I enough like them? When the whole point of bringing on new people and a diversity of voices and backgrounds is because we don't want everyone to fit in because they're all identical. So yeah. What does Seth [inaudible 00:18:31] say, he says, "Every day you should have imposter syndrome when you wake up, because you should be trying something new every day. And that means you're never expert at that one thing." Now, they had hired you in the role of product marketer at Dell. So would you describe again what the role is? So people understand. Because product marketer might not make sense for people not inside of it.
Sara Morgan:
Yeah. I think most people don't actually know what product marketing is. Essentially we're the closest to the product team. So the folks actually creating whatever that product is. Say it's this mouse and they're figuring out the design and how we can be the different than the competition. We're taking, then the specs and what they designed and saying, "Okay, now how does this meet the customer problems? What are the pain points? How is this solving for it? And how are we going to tell that story?" So the way I described it to someone close to me was that we're building the foundation of what the marketing program will be. And then we create these assets that are the structure. And then you have things like marketing communications, which is in field marketing, who do email campaigns and advertising that you see on TV and all of these other teams then take that and build upon that foundation that we created working really closely with the product.
Terri Trespicio:
So you don't ... So people think, oh, someone created an ad and that's how they know what that product is. The ad is the closest thing to the consumer, but the furthest from the product development team. There's so many people along the way. So you're helping develop the DNA of the story for a product in order to then feed all of other efforts that come about as a result.
Sara Morgan:
Exactly.
Terri Trespicio:
You don't write a TV commercial to figure out what a thing is. You're identifying the key points that then like the DNA to then grow the cells that will feed the growth of that product cycle.
Sara Morgan:
Exactly. Yep. And we do ... So we're at the intersection of product and sales, which is not often thought about. So it's also, how do we train our sales teams to talk about it? What do they need to know? What assets do they need to take to a customer and have this conversation? So that's also an often forgotten about piece of it that plays a big part in what we do.
Terri Trespicio:
Oh, sales. Yep. Kind of everything. You could create your best thing in the world. If no one knows how to sell it, it's not moving. Let's go back though. Because a lot of this is, as you said, figuring out not how to fit in places or what's the cool place to work, but what actually fits with our own values. And if we don't take some time to figure that out, we're going to be casting about quitting jobs forever, unhappy and not knowing why.
Terri Trespicio:
And so now I do want to turn our attention to diversity because the whole point of that is not enough different voices at the table. Too many people fitting in with a similar looking group. And so not only are you a unique and creative contributor to the companies you've worked for, you're also woman of color and this is a big thing. You wear that too. You're doing a lot for other women simply by being there. Obviously it's something that's probably occurred to you, but is it always conscious or is that annoying? Why does everything have to be about this big effort? Can't I just do my job or do you like that that's happening?
Sara Morgan:
No, it is. I think one of the positives that came out of last year, all of the events of last year, was the open conversation, especially in the workplace in general. I have friends in all industries that are having it much more openly at work where even two, three years ago, you didn't really talk about your experience as a black woman to white counterparts. It just wasn't something that was okay to bring up. What I've found is there is this community of black women who came before me, who have just committed themselves to lifting up whoever they can. And so what that's done is it's of course had a ripple effect. Because now I feel an obligation to mentor younger women who are coming up under me.
Sara Morgan:
And so there's been this amazing community, I feel like, and it is less taboo. I hate to even say that it's taboo, but to talk about in the workplace. And so I do feel like because I have that guidance and cover from other black women who came before me and who are trying to pull me up with them. I feel an obligation to do that. And so where I'm a little more grounded in my career than say someone who's 22, like my mentee, I feel like I can have those conversations more openly and talk to my management and my leadership about it. And that's going to make it better for her. So that's automatically going to, even if needle moves a little bit, that's going to change her experience from my experience. Just like mine is different than my mentors.
Sara Morgan:
So I do think I don't ... It's one of those things where you live it. So I know that in a lot of spaces inside and outside of work, I am one of a few black women on the zoom screen. When you look at all of the faces. So I feel it and live it every day, but I think it's almost made it better that it's now okay and acceptable to talk about. And even people are asking me and wanting to talk to me and understand my experience and understand what may be comfortable, what may not be comfortable. And so I do welcome that.
Terri Trespicio:
Because then there's that other side, which is of course there's no one out there going, we want less diversity. It's something that's easy for a lot of people to pay lip service to and to pretend they were for it all the time when really we all know that this wasn't something that anyone was championing. Not anyone, but it just wasn't. And then all of a sudden it's like, well, let's talk to Sara, Sara as a black woman, what do you think? It's like, oh my God. There was a lot of pushback of stop making me teach you everything. Maybe you don't want everyone asking you. But I really love what you're saying, which is this all pays forward. That the idea is not now I'm going to care. Of course you always cared, but now we're going to show up and actually make sure.
Terri Trespicio:
I was on a workshop with a bunch of Emerson alums and one guy said, well ... It was about speaking up and making sure that other people who don't get a chance to talk get to talk. And one gentleman said, well, as a white male, I'm just basically think I shouldn't say anything. And so I've just stopped contributing or I just feel like I should shut up. And I was like, okay, for you not to talk isn't going to fix anything. Just because you don't steal something today doesn't mean that nothing will be stolen in the world. The whole point is, we'll call him Jeff, I said, you're a white guy so in fact, get in and grab the mic because you know it's easier for you to do it and make sure you hand it to someone else. So it's not just like, oh, I guess black women will help each other now. It's like, no, no, no. This is for everyone.
Terri Trespicio:
The people who have had all of the attention in the room and breeze into that hot mic have to hand it around. But you strike me as someone who is like, yeah, this is what we do. This isn't us taking on a new thing. This is what we do now. Not only in our communities at work, our communities with our friends, but a community that you're part of. Which is the Emerson community. And you have been a very active alum. Not all alums are, but you've been serving on the board of advisors.
Sara Morgan:
I have.
Terri Trespicio:
And you've been doing a lot of volunteer work. No one made you do it. Talk to me about how you see your role as an alum in particular.
Sara Morgan:
Yeah. I see it similarly to what I mentioned and just the pay it forward. I had some folks in the Emerson community who really poured into me. And so when I was asked to be on the board, I started very much the same as with my current role with imposter syndrome. Why am I here? I'm not this person. I'm not that person. And what I learned over time was I was asked to be there for a specific reason. And it wasn't that I was tapped on the shoulder. Yes. I add diversity to the board. But the folks who asked me saw something in me and now I think I'm at the table with some very important conversations.
Sara Morgan:
And so I do think it's been really important. I've been able to be so comfortable in speaking my own truth and what that meant for me. And I shared with them that, I have always, until maybe a year ago, straightened my hair to be in a professional setting because that's how I saw myself. One step towards assimilating. And I shouldn't show up to an interview, a job interview with my hair curly. And so being able to be in a space that is a group of people who have an impact on an entire community, like the college, has been something that ... To know that they hear me and they hear my experience and now what can we do to impact that and change it? Has been really important.
Sara Morgan:
And I think what I've really appreciated from the folks who have been doing a lot of the work is that they really wanted to make sure they were getting this right. They weren't coming and saying, "Hey, Sara, as the black female, can you tell us X, Y, and Z?" It was really, "Hey, can you make sure we're doing this right? And I'm learning. And I'm trying to make sure that this work we do has an impact." And so just being able to be at the table for those conversations and know that there's work that's going to be done, that's being done and is going to be done that's going to impact ... I'm mentoring a student right now. That's going to impact people who come after her even. So that been really powerful.
Terri Trespicio:
There's a lot of people go to Emerson and then they sort of just live their lives or they're not really as involved. And since I was one of those, I was one of those alums. I was off drifting in the world because I was like, well, I don't know. I'm sure they're fine, kind of thing. And then I was invited also. I was like, why are you inviting me to be on the alumni board? And I was like, what does that mean? Am I qualified? Blah, blah, blah. And I have found it incredibly rewarding, but also realized my God, there's a whole world of people here. For yeah, sure, networking to get to know people, but also people who've become real friends and I would not have ... People who I didn't go to school with them. I'm years older than them or whatever.
Terri Trespicio:
And I think it's not like, oh, you should go back and connect with the alumni. First of all, I hate anyone tells me I should do anything. But when the opportunity came up, I thought it was great. And I have, and I think you're saying this too, is that, God, we have met people and had conversations as part of the alumni community that I didn't even have when I was getting my masters. Because I was too busy writing my poetry thesis or whatever in my room by myself. And so now I'm saying this because you're so generous with your time. And let's just say, I'm not getting paid to do this podcast either. I do it because I care. I want Emerson alumni to take advantage of the very interesting and diverse and just fabulous group of people who are doing cool things that wouldn't know. That's why we're even doing the podcast. I want people to be more engaged with the community. Not because they should, or Emerson wants you to, but because we are only our relationships, aren't we?
Sara Morgan:
Right. We are.
Terri Trespicio:
And to miss out on an opportunity to connect with alumni is it would be something I'd be missing from my life right now. And it sounds like you feel the same.
Sara Morgan:
Yeah. And I think there are a lot of like folks I graduated with who are doing amazing things and it's not ... I think one piece of it is there is a lot of pressure at 19, 20, 21. But I think, especially with Emerson students who are so driven, involved in so much, to know what you want to do and feel like you have it figured it out. And I had this conversation with a young woman recently too. I'm going to tell you right now, even if you think you have it figured out, you don't. Because life is going to change in 10 years. You just can't predict what's going to happen. Very few people-
Terri Trespicio:
That's not the point. It's not the point.
Sara Morgan:
That's not the point, right?
Terri Trespicio:
The point isn't, oh, I have my life figured out. Show me one 21 year old person who has their life figured out. Show me a 41 year old person who has their life figured out.
Sara Morgan:
Well, that's what I told her. I said, I'm going to tell you, I know less at 38 than I knew at 21. Because at 21, I thought I knew everything. And so you couldn't tell me I didn't. Now I know seeing how far I've come from 21 to now, well I know that the road is winding and there are going to be obstacles in the road and I'm going to have to swerve and I'm going to get back on the road and who knows. So I feel like I almost have more security in knowing that I don't know what's ahead.
Terri Trespicio:
Yes, and to me that's the exciting part. Look at the cool stuff that you've done. You followed your instincts, you were true to your values. You said no to things that weren't right. And you found stuff that was right. And I can't imagine that we're the only two people who could do that. Where you have to be fancy to do it or you have to be impressive. No, this is all. To not know is okay at any age. I agree with you. I think that if you had it all figured out, what a boring slog until you drop dead. Why? So I'm all fired up and excited by you, Sara Morgan. I have one last question for you, which is how do you define making it and how will you know when you've gotten there?
Sara Morgan:
I think making it is a couple of things. I think one is, it's being able to make decisions based on your values and nothing else. Not being swayed by external factors or what people say or advice or feeling like what you have to do, but it's being able to stand in your truth. And I also think it's that and being able to lift other people up while you climb. I think that's so important. I've had mentors say to me, all I ask of you is that you pay it forward and that you help someone else. And so I think being in a position where you see value in your experience and how you can help somebody else on their journey. So yeah.
Terri Trespicio:
She got it figured out. Sara Morgan, everybody. Thank you so much. Thank you for being on the podcast.
Sara Morgan:
Thank you. This was great. This was a lot of fun.
Terri Trespicio:
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